This Is How To Invite Yourself Over To His House, English Conversation Practice - Inviting Someone to the Bar, This Is How To Initiate Physical Contact With A Shy Guy, This Is How Many Dates Before Inviting Him Over. I didnt say your way forward was easy, mind. When I really wanted to connect with someone, I used to read the soft no as a problem that I could solve, like, Oh, thats not a problem, I can come to you instead! I will deliver the free comic books to your house, along with ice cream, and that random vacuum cleaner part you once mentioned in passing that you needed! I looked at the reason for the refusal and ignored that it was a refusal. Ill have discomfort discussing a plan with a person if its a plan that they could conceivably have been involved with. I agree 100% with this. My neighbors friends all seem to find a perfect place to park while going in to get their friends: RIGHT THE HELL IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY SO THAT I HAVE TO DO SOME WEIRD STEERING WHEEL MANEUVERING TO PARK MY DAMN CAR. Gotta install the air conditioners and figure out how to assemble that Ikea desk., Yellow Light. But I could be wrong! I moved country recently and keeping up with my best friend is hard work that is almost completely on me. This sort of thing reminds me that the only era for which I know there were clear and universally followed rules about this sort of thing, it was Regency era England, when people* would drop by during a clearly defined period of the day for a morning call, for about 20 minutes, and your butler could declare that you were not at home if you didnt want to see them. It works pretty well . Knowing that I am under no obligation to implement whatever advice I receive makes all the difference. This is what you call a booty call. I am NOT going to be guilted into inviting all and sundry thanks to GSF. You are already doing the right thing by asking, and if people are saying yes, then I would say everything is fine! I like your suggestions about neutral spaces too, will definitely use that in future. Some people get really ticked off about the idea that I can CHOOSE whether to answer my door/phone/text/email, and that just not wanting to interact at that moment is a good enough reason not to answer.. Ive had way too many experiences of feeling like Im intruding to do otherwise. But why do you want them to walk from their car to your door and back again regardless of the weather? The answer is, "It depends". Get him involved in the plans, but don't put him to work. To me, it matters what sort of event it is. It'd be too much trouble to formally ask everyone each time. Any advice anyone wants to throw my way is welcome. Some of our relatives assume that discussing plans for New Years (just as an example) means that *everyone* will be going, including people whose mothers just died and need time to grieve alone. Especially if you guys have only been friends 2-3months. But theres a lot wrong with painting peoples legitimate reasons for disliking unexpected people dropping by as some sort of irrational priggishness, and the cleaning remark is just gratuitously nasty. Sorry you had to deal with all that. That suggestion is for adults who dont know each other all that well, not close friends like your son and T., and not children. In re: not knowing stuff is happening, I think that, a lot of the time, is a function of how plugged in you are to a persons day-to-day happenings, whether in the meatworld or on Facebook or what-have-you. On the individual level as well. We both could have used it. Wait for me to open the door and join you. I have a particular set of habits, displayed personality traits, etc. I like the idea of just asking directly, but Id be uncomfortable using the phrase Im socially awkward, even in a joking and self-deprecating way, unless I really knew and trusted the people. Then, and this is the important part, drop way WAY back in your efforts to get together with her. And so, count your blessings that cleaning is a hassle but not a source of shame brain-weasels. Or by initiating contact in some other way? Im fine. If youre running late, it should be up to you to text them. Okay, then, (and I do appreciate being included finally!) Plus it can feel for me like, whoa, are you going to do this a lot? Which is why I despise despise despise Google Hangouts, but thats a completely different story. I was coming to say the same thing. I think thats *incredibly* relevant to this issue. Arrangements with friends have all been clear so far. Of course, some people are just bad at initiating, and can get into a lazy habit of letting the other person do all of it, but it could also be a sign that shes not as into this friendship as you are. Ooh I hadnt made that connection between eating and cleaning. Shes just rude. But the script Id suggest for other events is, Cousin, this is really awkward, but we planned for a specific number of people and Im afraid we just cant have you over this time. Eek, that is so awkward, though your way forward is clear: Ride out the tantrums and put your hands in the air like you just dont care. I interpreted the person youre responding to as talking about the idea that your house has to be pinterest-worthy before guests can enter it, which I resonated with. Back in my teens if I was too anxious/busy/unpresentable to talk to an unannounced house caller I would either not answer the door or ask my parents to say I was out. Ohhhhhhh yeah. Yeah, there are lots of reasons somebody might feel like they need to clean for hours to have people over. Were in a cultural phase where Are we still on for tonight? is an actual question people text you 15 minutes before youre supposed to meet them. I am mortified. Im yet another person who doesnt go to things unless explicitly invited. For my part, since most of my friends are similar, I try to make a habit of going, hey, do you want advice here, or are you just venting?. Meet you at the theater at 1:40?. Whether you need to fix, build, create or learn, eHow gives you practical solutions to the problems life throws at you. It could be for any number of reasons. So go her! Well, is he Northern European or from the Northeast Atlantic Archipelago? For me I think the drop-by depends on how lengthy and intrusive of a visit its going to be. Then shell stay for an hour and a half!! So, unless Camille brings up her party in front of Bob, Im unlikely to talk about it. Inviting yourself to someone else's house is presumptuous and rude. So I would say oh well Im free this afternoon too if you want to hang out actually no because reason OR that sounds like fun! the next day why didnt we hang out yesterday?. An alternative to let me stop by your house is Im going to be in the neighborhood do you want to meet up? This is a call I do not mind getting. Likewise, now that Im much older and a person who works a lot Ive found my downtime is rather more precious to me than it once was I like to spend some time alone and resent it when people barge in on that. Then I had to apologize with no buts. If this were a healthy friendship, that would be fine. Its all about the relationship you have with the person and where you are in your life. I can still say no of course, but it becomes rather rocky when it shouldnt have to. Guys can be very easy-going with their toiletries and appearance. Id MUCH rather have a conversation like: THEM: We missed you at [that Thing], why didnt you come? Think about your daily routine and determine what items you will need for going to bed and waking up. In the LWs case, I agree that your friend is giving very clear please dont drop by unannounced signals. Why? But then I worry she will think Im pre-emptively avoiding her. It hurts so much, LW, and Im so sorry this is happening to you. I am having a problem with it at the moment though. Does anyone else feel really weird even discussing plans with someone if you arent inviting them to join you? But heres what I thought of before looking through all the comments. On that day, between these hours, please feel free to drop by and take tea. But it seriously blows my mind. In university I lived in dorms, and living on campus was sort of an implicit youre always free. He would not be able to remember to do it, would not choose a socially appropriate time and place to do it if he did remember, and would not issue an invitation that T would be able to understand, let alone accept. If I tried to have him call T from home to do it, I might be able to sit next to him and coach him through it, but I would have to talk to Ts parent then anyway to work out the logistics of time and place we do not live within walking distance of one another. I completely plan to be where we said, when we said! Oh man, indeed. Letter Writer, I hope this gives you some clarity, and lets you put your dads mean voice in your head to rest. I know, but like I said up thread, Ive had a couple of friends in the past who would in fact regularly cancel that close to whatever-it-was, so I got in the habit for a while because I couldnt trust that plans were real. In general, I think friends should communicate about and establish the status quo on this matter at the point in their relationships where they are going over to each others houses routinely. For every person of their youth who joyfully offered hospitality to all comers at any time, there were plenty who turned off the lights and made sure they stayed out of view of the windows so as not to be put on the spot by unannounced visitors. But youre still changing their plans when you do that, youre just changing them in a way that is more difficult to say no to. I actually wanted to start dinner like an hour ago. Inviting yourself over to someone's house for dinner? Uurghhrggghh you bet that any child of mine will be raised with a HUGE feelings-related vocabulary (I pretty much only knew happy, angry, sad until my teens?) Are you going to start showing up at my home when I was counting on alone time and I look like a raggedy doofus because Im wearing an old tank top and a sports bra?. Im just careful to make sure that no one is going to see it as passive aggressive middle school behavior. Personally, Im of two minds on that. My son, who is 7, has a best friend at school that he adores. Imagine you are friendly but not close friends with all of these people, and lets look at whats good inviting yourself and bad inviting yourself behavior. WITHOUT offering up an alternative or making a visible effort to make something happen. Unsolicited doorbell Ill never answer but texting from the viscinity I feel like I can easily refuse, Sorry, not a good time, maybe next time or sure, lets meet at the cafe though, my house is a mess. 5,121 views Aug 1, 2012 40 Dislike Share Save Carli Olson 11. You don't want to seem desperate, more like you think it sounds interesting and may drop by, but if you can't come it's no big deal, and it wouldn't mortally offend you or anything. My home is my sacred space, man. You are not stupid. Its at 7.30 on Thurs if youre still interested?* But no actual arrangement has been made just because both people have expressed interest in the concept of going. I did nonetheless feel foolish I hadnt thought to use it! I shame-clean in front of people all the time. When Ive broached the subject in a nonconfrontational way (using similar language) in the hopes of opening up a dialogue, I am always met with some version of, No problem, Im just busy with stuff. So there is one more game to play, one more thing to try together. I have two minds about dropping inpartly, I really like it because of my mental issues, I can go from I need to be alone for an undisclosed amount of time to I would feel significantly better with company in a very short amount of time that can foil even the best-laid plans. Also, if you say youre coming around X time, come around X time. Our neighborhoods were close, and on frequent routes of travel between work/school/watering holes. Down. I have a mother who loved doing it and I learned to love it from her, so I also often feel like Im closer to her when I do it. You must not mind being told not a good time, please leave. ); and yes, that means other people I have no intention of inviting will hear it being discussed. They may have to entertain an unwanted guest when they'd rather be doing something else. As someone who *likes* being dropped in on, I still have certain caveats: I think that actually makes me LESS amenable to unexpected interruptions at home because Ive already used up all my people-dealing-with fuel fielding the expected-but-not-planned interactions at work. Be female. And I dont feel badly for talking about fun things with people in my life. Also, hard as it may be to swallow, sometimes the person we think of as our best friend doesnt consider us to be *their* best friend. Im not sure if youve already responded to your friend or not, but if not I think the correct response here is a simple Hey, sorry, didnt mean to invade your space! If she asks to go to yours, you can defer; "yes, I will have to invite you over soon". I think its one of those relics of when a Good Woman didnt go out much during the day and/or when basically everyone was on the same schedule(or when people lived in a small town and if you werent working in some way you were at home. It feels like a Big Commitment to do complex scheduling on everything, whereas yo Im walking my dog down your street feels very, very low key to me. (I mean, my house is my Fortress of Solitude, and I can be super grumpy if Im interrupted in the middle of something by my phone, but unless underlying issues are at play, even I the Queen of the Solitary Grumpies here am never going to reply to a self-invite with Dude, totally inappropriate! rather than just, Nope, not gonna work right now.) Talk about it with her if youd like; let her slow-fade quietly on out if youd like; find a new awesome person to enjoy riding with. Otherwise, leave your card with Jeeves, and Ill return your call at my earliest convenience. Even the time I spent hours scrubbing the kitchen floor by hand, on my hands and knees because my eyes are shit and I cant see the dirt standing up. I have a very good friend who does this. i think of that person as kind of a douche. *Maybe* they came in super quick to pee because they were on a long hike across the neighborhood, but that was it. Sorry my place is so messy. I dont mind. It would be really rude to say fuck yeah its disgusting. If the issue is that youre using that as a soft no and people are ignoring your soft no by saying its fine, thats a problem for a different reason and those people could use the captains advice above about listening for soft nos when they invite themselves over. That could take 15 min, and it doesnt save me any time! Want to come? It shocked me when it happened I am an open-minded person! Generally, with close friends, I do the text and make plans like now approach. drifting? If anyone pulled up a trailer around back, they hid it well. and if someone doesnt go away and my dogs arent already loose in the house (and therefore at the front door barking at the person to GO AWAY), I can also from this position get to wherever the dogs are kept without being seen, if I am careful and let them loose to express their barky opinions up against the door glass. You should come by the house later!. We had made plans to watch a show but hadnt specified an exact time (he was assuming normal end-of-my-workday time). So hell come back! One time, someone who knew my other half turned up at my house where he was staying at around 4pm, and was still there at 9pm. Your visit will not be successful even if you dont mind the mess, because the person who owns the mess will be able to think about nothing else. Now should the advice-giver start badgering me to see whether I followed their advice, thats something else again. Its one of those things that vary culturally and individually, though. I love hiking." Casually confirm the date ahead of time to make sure the plans are still on. I think Im so hung up on this(and really, I am; I obsess over it) because when I was a teenager, I was quite unpopular. Ha, intercultural differences around this kind of thing are a trip. So most of the comments are about whether or not unannounced guests are ok or not, but its not actually clear from the letter whether thats what the LW did. 2023 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media, All Rights Reserved. Thats one culturally-specific example, and I dont want it to create a spiral of you/everyone-who-reads-this second-guessing the reality of everyones invitations, but I think there is something that you can adapt from it, dear Letter Writer:If a soon/later/in the near future suggestion by you or invitation from someone else seems unclear, clarify it by suggesting or asking about a definite time and place. And if Im definitely not in the mood to hang out, its painfully awkward for everyone involved if I have to ask you to go away. You: I really enjoyed meeting you, Id love to get together sometime soon., You: So happy to hear it. but how was I supposed to know that anyone and everyone was welcome? I would tell you upon arrival that when you want me to leave, just say so (blunt person as I am, it might be phrased as the moment Im a bother, sweep me out). It was normal to just knock on their door on our way back from class to see if they were home/wanted to hang out. Even if it was their idea. Does it matter that T did come to my sons birthday party (not at our house) last week? Here are nine things that are bound to happen when you spend more time at your significant other's place: 1. If you're inviting somebody over to your house and it's the fourth date, there may be a presumption of sex on his part. Id rather get a text than have them come down the steep staircase to get me, or have to keep running up those stairs to see if theyve arrived. Some people love regularly showing up 30/45 minutes early every time to the point where weve started saying doors open at 6 because otherwise who even knows. 1. Ive run into a cultural problem with friends who, I think, want me to invite myself over: theyll describe an event like watching a movie at their place and express surprise that I wasnt there, but I never received an invitation or even knew that the event was taking place. Let them know! 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