WASHINGTON SQUARE: Im intrigued by the extent to which youve referred to this poem as an autonomous entity: it seems to be voiced, what I read as fear or hesitation. Are there some poems that seem more or less transparent to you, more or less within your understanding and control, than others?SMITH: Oh, sure. Curtis Fox: Yeah, its one of those poems, when you read it you think God, somebody should have done this years ago. My thirties. taken Captive WebTracy K. Smith is a Susan S. and Kenneth L. Wallach Professor at Harvard Radcliffe Institute and a professor of English and of African and African American Studies in the Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences. I feel, just this very instant, Life On Mars By Tracy K. Smith Analysis. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Speaking a few years ago with Gregory Pardlo, you mentioned that music, image, form and departure are the things Im conscious of managing in a poem. Can you say a little more about balancing these qualitiesand, perhaps, how you know when one or two of them want to predominate? Below you can find the poem followed by my analysis. I struggle a lot with interpreting metaphorical words often used by poets and underlying meanings behind small phrases. There is deep unease in those lines that Ive been puzzling over, and why would somebody be ashamed of innocence and privacy? Her second collection is titled Duende, a Spanish word that eludes precise translation but denotes a quality of soulful artistic passion and inspiration; perhaps its this same quality that infuses her patiently lucid writing with visceral urgency, yielding lines that stick persistently in a readers heart and mind.Smith has written four poetry collections: The Body's Question, which won the Cave Canem Poetry Prize; Duende, which received the James Laughlin Award; Life on Mars, winner of the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry; and, most recently, Wade in the Water, published in April by Graywolf Press. Consider, that is, the languages and practices we have developed to exist within Western consumer markets. The author is efficient in pointing out that the men that once wrote and fought for equality, were the same to enforce and bring upon laws that oppressed And in this awful year, thats something worth giving thanks for. After you read this poem by the former U.S. Wade in the Water begins with the desolate luxury of the ironically titled Garden of How did you fill in that blank as you were writing that? Thanks for listening. Thanks to her late father's job as an engineer on the Hubble Space Telescope, the US poet gathers inspiration from I like the way that project emphasizes that the various speakers and photo subjects have chosen to not only share parts of their own stories, but also decided how theyd like to be photographed. SMITH: I like the way that humor exists in our lives, even in the dark and difficult moments. sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people In October, Graywolf Press will I found two books that really had a powerful impact upon me: Voices of Emancipation: Understanding Slavery, the Civil War, and Reconstruction through the U.S. Pension Bureau Files, edited by Elizabeth A. Regosin and Donald R. Shaffer; and Families and Freedom: A Documentary History of African-American Kinship in the Civil War Era, edited by Ira Berlin and Leslie S. Rowland. Not unlike your previous books, this one feels cohesive even as it encompasses poems whose forms and concerns vary. I was blown away by how it seemed to capture the mood of our historical moment. Or, generally, have some personae in your work been more challenging to access than others?SMITH: Sometimes, as in the case ofThe United States Welcomes You,a persona is a last resort. Brought on a different manner of weather. We'll love you just the way you are if you're perfect. Its current occupant is Tracy K. Smith, who was named Poet Laureate in 2017. Analyzes how the first poem in the book sums up the primary focus of the works in its exploration of loss, grieving, and recovery. Curtis Fox: So this poem is set in pre-Facebook times. Duende is a book that grapples with what it means to me to be an American. I also think that over the years teaching has made me a better editor of my own work. And for that to be unmitigated. What about you? Or how you can sometimes see the humor in your own dire or embarrassing situation, and how that can be both frustrating and something you file away under Things that Will Be Funny in the Future. Tracy K. Smith: I have, and I didnt know if I would. If I read a poem about my father, sometimes if the poem is doing its work, you might begin to think about your relationship with your father, even if it might be different from what my poem says. And as many have observed since capitalism emerged (see William Blakes Satanic mills or Upton Sinclairs meatpacking plants), this tends to have baleful effects on how we conceive of social relationships and our own selves. Tracy K. Smith: I hear those two things, but in the reverse order. An Old Story is born out of the wish to write a new myth. SMITH: I think the only way students learn how to craft their own poems is by reading and learning to pay close attention to the specific choices that other writers make. Purchasing food, however, leaves the speaker anxious: It was Brooklyn. Even a simple poem like The Good Life grew large, for me at least,when the image of a woman journeying for water from a village without a well arrived. Even going into the first trip, I was thinking okay, Im performing a service. Curtis Fox: Tracy K. Smith is the Poet Laureate of the United States. You know, popular myths that we cleave to as Americans, and there are a lot of poems in this book that have titles that are biblical. That seems to me not so much about privacy but about consumerism in some way. I often think of a wonderful Marie Howe poem called The Star Market which begins: The people Jesus loved were shopping at the Star Market yesterday. These are the old, the sick, the people a healthy young person might recoil from. The Garden of Eden is a semiautobiographical account based on Hemingways honeymoon with his second wife, Pauline Pfeiffer, in May, 1927, at Le Grau-du-Roi, a fishing village in the Carmargue, on the Mediterranean coast of France. Over her career, she has published a memoir and four books of poetry, including A two-time Hambidge fellow, her poems have appeared in such publications as Little Star, Prairie Schooner, december, American Life in Poetry andVerse Daily. Tracy K. Smith: Well, Ive been going into rural communities in different parts of the country. According to the cultural theorist Mark Fisher, this mental architecture almost inevitablybarring unusual cultural circumstances or great personal fortitudetakes the form of capitalist realism, which consists in the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it (Fishers italics). But one day, when I was kind of working in the vein, I was sitting at my desk and I just had this vivid memory of shopping in a grocery store in Brooklyn, and this pang of nostalgia for that moment in my life, and this poem kind of just came out. Its been great. Meanwhile, Watershed brilliantly intermixes language from that Nathaniel Rich article with testimony by survivors of near-death experiences; was the process of choosing and assembling your found texts similar for this poem? I imagined my Civil War poem would be a one-time exploration of its time period, but when I came back a few years later to writing poetry, the concerns I found myself wrestling with were rooted in similar questions of history, race, compassion and justice. Smith received the 2012 Pulitzer Prize in poetry for her third book of poems, Life on Mars (Graywolf Press, 2011). On June 14, 2017, Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden announced the appointment of Tracy K. Smith as the 22nd Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry. Some do a lot, some very little. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/magazine/poem-beatific.html. Its refreshing to hear from a Poet Laureate who holds all of these diverse concerns in her mind and in her voice, from our national tragedy to a four-year-olds refusal to eat her dinner. I dont yet know how to classify Wade in the Water. Whats going on there? Every least leaf, Shivers in the sun, while we sit, bothered,Late, captive to this thing commanding. How did you arrive at the title, and what do you hope it suggests or encapsulates for readers?While working on the book, I had the experience of attending a ring shout and feeling so deeply moved and shaken by the performance of Wade in the Water. After that evening, I suspected that Wade in the Water was going to be the title of my book. Poems, like movies, are good at indulging this wish. I also agree. Curtis Fox: That was An Old Story. The United States expanding industrial wealth in the nineteenth century was inseparable from this machine; American capital has always been massed on the backs on nonwhite people.These appellants use the lingo of capitalism, insofar as they are asking for money. I think this is a poem thats about, okay, Im just past that, and look what I can almost afford. I'd squint into it, or close my eyes And let it slam me in the face The known sun setting On the dawning century. WebThis is Tracy K. Smiths America, a lyric insurrection within Donald J. Trumps. Take it easy. Theyre intimate spaces where we can really stop and say, okay, heres a poem by this American poet whos voice I think is so important, what do you hear within it? I wanted to draw-in the sense of the living spirit at the heart of that nights encounter, and at the heart of the tradition of the ring shout itself: the sense of love and deliverance, of faith and compassion, of justice and survival.Watershed was a poem I knew I wanted to write. I chose the title Watershed even before the poem itself had been written. I wanted to find a way of reminding myself that our 21st Century moment isnt self-contained; somewhere and somehow, it has bearing upon what happens moving forward throughout all of eternity, even after we humans are gone from this planet. 1 No. Smith assembles a collage of bad news, omitting punctuation to create a sense of anxious acceleration: dust vented from factory chimneys settled well-beyond the property lineentered the water tableconcentration in drinking water 3x international safety limitstudy of workers linked exposure with prostate cancerworth $1 billion in annual profit. In this manner, they accumulate tools that can be put to use upon their own material. The something climbs, leaps, isFalling now across us like the prank of an icy, brainyLord. She studied at Harvard University, where she joined the Dark Room Collective, a reading series for writers of color, created by Sharan Strange in 1988. WebTracy K. Smith begins her poem The Good Life with a subordinate clause: Whenpeople talk (Line 1). One quick way to define capitalism is to observe that it entails the dedication of all things, all human objects and ideas and actions, to profit, to the continual accumulation of wealth in private hands. The first line introduces the readers to both the casual Poems are so great because they urge you to start thinking in honest and even vulnerable terms about your own life and your own experiences. They are places to test out new lines of inquiry. Curtis Fox: So I wanted to ask you about your time as Poet Laureate, but before we get there, Id like to get straight to a poem. At the time, I wasnt writing many poems; I was working on my prose memoir, and feeling, somewhat guiltily, that it might be a good idea to take the opportunity to produce a new poem. Not the liberal version, where everything naturally progresses toward a better reality, but something more ambiguous and fragile. We get collage, erasure, short lyrics, long sectioned pieces; speakers grapple with the Civil War, immigration, faith, environmental damage, motherhood, grocery shopping. Born in Massachusetts and raised in northern California, Smith now lives in New Jersey, where she directs and teaches in Princeton University's Creative Writing Program. I'd lug I struggle a lot with interpreting metaphorical words often used by poets and underlying meanings behind small phrases. And if you enjoy that, I highly recommend checking out Each one of us is a collaborative condition, The Everlasting Self puts it.Smith isnt a political theorist, psychologist, historian, or polemicist, though her poetry metabolizes elements of those discourses. Selected by Naomi Shihab Nye. Similarly, Theatrical Improvisation draws on the voices of immigrants as well as those who targeted them in the months before and after the 2016 Presidential election. Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. In part, I think its true to say that the selves Im most committed to in that book are the ones our culture continues to make most vulnerable: women, people of color, the lonely and disenfranchised. I love the ways their other academic pursuits sometimes surface in their poems. It teases us; it helps us sometimes, so that what is happening now feels like it has already occurred once before; it bridles adults and happily submits to being largely ignored by children. My found poems behave differently, but those possibilities were somewhere in my mind as I worked. The glossy Where I seldom shopped, I dont think the poems lay out answers to any of that, incidentally, but their manner of exploring these questions feels fruitful.WASHINGTON SQUARE: One of the most striking pieces in the book is the long poem you mentioned, I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. Im curious about the research that goes into a piece like thishow did you come across the source documents, and when did you realize they could constitute a poem? And I guess in some ways thats a scary place to be. Buy RHINO MagazineDonate to RHINOPoemsReviewsEvents Submissions InternshipsAbout RHINOMasthead. Wade in the Water is, wonderfully, a Poet Laureates booka book that speaks for the poet herself and for us all, at a perilous moment in our history. What do you try to impart as a teacher, and what, if anything, has teaching poetry taught you about writing it? Every hate swollen to a kind of epic wind. At the end of the day, our lives arent quite the way we wish they were and it can be difficult to come to terms with that. SMITH: Writing Ordinary Light helped me break my own silence about how race has shaped me. But translating is a different thing altogether. One of the closing lines is an eerie warning: its global. The worlds first great carbon empire, the United States, is committing suicide, but at least some people are getting richer.The books center is I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. This long poem, divided into sections based on different voices, consists of material Smith culled from the letters of black Civil War veterans and their wives, children, siblings, and widows, many of whom wrote to President Lincoln asking for financial assistance, in many cases pay that was owed them. WASHINGTON SQUARE: In Ordinary Light you recall your first poem, written in grade school and titled Humor. These days much of your work deals with weighty topics, though youve said in other interviews that writing often feels joyful. Like the letters themselves, Smiths poem is restorative. You were appointed Poet Laureate in 2017, after Trump was inaugurated. NCTE, Common Core, & National Core Arts Standards. We were then asked to form an opinion on the meaning and significance of the poem. and was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon Tracy. In June 2017, Smith was named U.S. poet laureate. This view of history as contested territory is in turn based on a tentatively hopeful view of selfhood in which all is intersubjective. It wasnt until I found myself preoccupied with questions of love and faith that I figured out how I wanted to work with the source material of the article. the same desolate luxury, people lived paycheck to paycheck, unable to afford such luxuries like exotic fruits or pastries. In its nostalgia for the pastries, the exotic fruits, and the black beluga lentils of her past, the poem invokes blessing and abundance, removed in time but newly desired in this moment when we see. Im listening for possibilities in meaning and emotional tone, and trying to make useful formal decisions, in a way that is more similar than different to what happens when I am writing. His arms churn the air. She does something trickier and more important: her work conjures up, with vivid particularity, at the level of the individual, what it is like to live under late capitalism. Once I have a body of realized poems that feels substantialsay, 30 or 40 pagesI start to hunt for the different things the poems seem to be saying to one another in an effort to decipher what is missing. I also advise thesis students who are involved in producing book-length collections of poems. Curtis Fox: This is Poetry Off The Shelf from The Poetry Foundation. What a profound longing She didn'tKnow me, but I believed her,And a terrible new acheRolled over in my chest,Like in a room where the drapesHave been swept back. The shoulders. So, when I was working on other poems in this book that were wrestling with history, I thought, oh, Ill go back to that Jefferson poem and see if I can make it right. Everyone I knew was living What made you choose to start (and end?) Redress in the most humble terms: Over her career, she has published a memoir and four books of poetry, including Life On Mars, which won the Pulitzer Prize several years ago. A few years ago, actually several years ago now, I wrote a sonnet that I contributed to an anthology called Monticello in Mind, that was edited by Lisa Russ Spaar, and they were poems about Thomas Jefferson. If we laugh at it, it has less power over us. On the dawning century. The collections final poem, An Old Story, also feels faintly Biblical. K Smith. Tracy K. Smith served as U.S. poet laureate from 2017-19 and teaches at Princeton University. WebSMITH: I like the way that humor exists in our lives, even in the dark and difficult moments. In a 2016 interview for The Iowa Review, you commented, I never have figured out how to talk about race in my poetry in a way that feels authentic and organic, and Ordinary Light is a book in which Im thinking so much about race. Wade in the Water seems to engage this topic compellingly and with great assurance. And sometimes there are things that seem to point in very different directions as a result of whats been eliminated. But if I do my job correctly, they slip away from that transparency and become something more than Id initially thought I was after. Garden of Eden by Tracy K. Smith What a profound longing I feel, just this very instant, For the Garden of Eden On Montague Street Where I seldom shopped, Can I get you to read An Old Story? In fact, I think I picked up the pace on my own new poems, and wrote the bulk of Wade in the Water, precisely because of my work on Yi Leis poems. In a quiet way, I am editing from the moment I begin writing, pushing myself to think more rigorously and vigorously and to live up to the model of discipline and courage that I encourage my students to embrace.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve written four poetry collections; when you started writing, you were a student, and now youre a teachernot to mention the nations Poet Laureate. Free UK p&p And I remember, I was sitting reading this document, and suddenly I got to the region where all of these complaints against England were being raised, and I felt that they were speaking so clearly to the history of black life in this country, and suddenly everything else that I was working on, that I thought I wanted to gather around the idea of Jefferson, just went away. Perhaps stepping into that subject matter imparted a courageor simply a vocabulary and an awarenessthat hasnt vanished. WebMy maker says this poem reminds him of the little groceries and bodegas of his onetime New York neighborhood. Yet everyone lived with a sense of innocence and privacy. People are leading lives where they cannot afford rich and luxurious things and are ashamed of that, yet they also hold onto fear; they are afraid to let people see their actual status. Tracy K. Smith: Mhmm, yeah. Are there particular questions you think of as driving Wade in the Water?SMITH: For me, poems, no matter how they behave, are questions. Bank-balance math and counting days. K Smith. Tracy K. Smith discusses her new book and her tenure as current US poet laureate. SMITH: I think of my four books of poems in similar terms: The Bodys Question feels to me like a coming-of-age story. Was there a poem or group of poems it coalesced around?SMITH: Thank you. Can you tell us a little bit about this poem before you read it? In this book, Im doing that more relentlessly. I had been powerfully compelled and disturbed by a Nathaniel Rich article about chemical pollution that appeared in the New York Times Magazine in January 2016. So the poems change for me too, which is I think affirmation that something real is happening. The narrow untouched hips. Hi Tracy, thanks for coming on the podcast. Tracy K. Smith, "Dusk" from Wade in the Water. Its also the title of a poem in the books first section, and it reverberates in images of water throughout the collectionin the poems Watershed and The Everlasting Self, for example. Elbow sore at the crook A sense of regret that I hadnt perhaps actively articulated to myself found a way into the poem. But in other events, Ive gone into almost curated spaces, like rehab facilities or churches, or we have an upcoming trip that will take us to a retirement community. 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