by RELEVANT. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. March 5, 2021 . Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. Could you tell me the difference? Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. And they aint all wrong. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Opinion Preston Clegg. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." Cho resigned the next day. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Finally that book! John MacArthur. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. PS. Your email address will not be published. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. or redistributed. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. There's some really helpful information in there. Name me one church that has handled everything well. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. . Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Opinion Mark Wingfield. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. Find a Church . It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Its only your perception and I would deny it. 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More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. Regards. I find this very revealing. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. That is just nuts. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner PPS. Each person will answer to God for themselves. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Why shouldnt he? 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. point taken). "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. pokmon the series xyz. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. It happens. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! All rights reserved. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. I hope this mature and open enough for you! Market data provided by Factset. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. But to me that is clear what it is. 23,12! He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. Jenna . I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. 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