Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Hence I'm very curious if there are any possible combos/changes that four stones could overcome the power of time Stone and foresight. Awesome, do me a favor and check another 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 just to be sure. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. Physically, absolutely not. Power wise, so long as Thanos doesnt have the Infinity Gauntlet / any Infinity Stones, yes. During the battle on Titan at the end of Infinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to Did he? Thor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. One could interpret the other stones as independent of time. His victory in Avengers:Infinity War ultimately comes down to his sheer force of will and ability to do what the Avengers and Guardians wouldn't to achieve his goal. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. A victory for YOU means defeating Thanos. Self sacrifice is the essence of what makes a hero a hero in our culture. And of course, Doctor Strange is not entirely helpless even without the time stone, and capable of putting up a decent fight with his verstility to protect the stone, so it might not be so easy for Thanos to "just take it" and end the loop himself even if he could perform the undo spell. Indeed, Dormammu was from the Dark Dimension, an alternate world that is removed from any conventional understanding of time. Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. Growing up in the English countryside on a mixture of Star Wars, The Simpsons and Aardman, Alex is a lifelong movie obsessive. If the Avengers haddefeated Thanos on Titan, then the events in Eternalsmight've played out very differently. Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. I think that is a big reason why the avengers lost in Infinity war. There's actually a lot more reasons why Strange didn't put Thanos in a time loop than it at first seems. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. How did the Illuminati of Earth-838 Beat Thanos In Doctor Str He's covered a wide range of movies and TV shows - from digging out obscure MCU Easter eggs to diving deep into deeper meanings of arthouse fare - and has covered a litany of set visits, junkets and film festivals. That attempt failed. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. Share Improve this answer Follow edited Apr 9, 2020 at 4:42 A.R.K 103 6 WebThe Real Reason Doctor Strange Didn't Fight Thanos Himself In Avengers: Endgame - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 2 The Real Reason Tom Cruise's Iron Man Wasn't In Doctor Strange 2 - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 3 Why doctor strange didn't use time stone on thanos #shorts - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 4 Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Impossible, they needed 2 movies out of the Thanos arc. If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. She's important too. But a key moment in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 might as well have been written as a rebuttal to Strange's inaction in the film. Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? Strange's ultimate decision resulted in the deaths of Iron Man, Black Widow and the Vision -- resulting in the Scarlet Witch's fury with Doctor Strange. Are these dimensions part of the same universe though? This also came before Baron Mordo was a part of the team, which was also most likely because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, with Doctor Strange involved instead. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. Wait was there a time stone in the drawer with the infinity stones? They added that after Thanos achieves his goal and initiates the Snap, he destroys the Infinity Stones because no other being strong enough could wield the stones. It's this method that a classic Avengers villain uses in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 - and though he has no need fortheTime Stone itself, Doctor Strange can certainly emulate his technique, however heinous it may be. Doctor Strange likely saw millions of futures where the Avengers beat Thanos, but he would have also seen millions more where the Earth is destroyed soon after by the Celestial. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. Strange wasn't after stopping Thanos. If he knew about this event, then he may have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. The portal is just used to travel in universe, Strange can't even use it to get back to Earth from Titan. Does Thor aim for the head? RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. Stones are destroyed. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. Yea, there are a lot of situations where Thanos could have pretty easily been defeated. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. So Strange would use the time stone > see himself get snapped away > Then what? In the world of chess, an "endgame" strategy refers to the tactic of promoting a pawn into a more powerful piece and turn the tide of the game. Just two years later, Doctor Strange found himself fighting another near unstoppable force who threatened mass destruction: Thanos. Marvel admits Doctor Strange had another way to take care of Thanos through time manipulationbut Thanos would suffer a horrific fate. Stones destroyed. 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Would have made for a Strange decided that he can not leave it up to chance. If disintrigate the very stone itself could not stop its effect, I am not sure if someone else can just take it and make it stop without the caster's consent. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Tough to say, but I think Thanos might win this one still. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? You'll catch on eventually you practically answered why Strange could use that in the dark dimension and not on earth for example. None of the other allies can die. There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. Tony Stark must do enough damage to Thanos to make him bleed and demonstrate to him that he can be defeated. Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop. However, the cost would have been far too great to take on. @doomstoaa: Again where was it confirmed he could do the time loop specifically again outside of Dormammus dimension lol? Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. This is why I found this whole battle scenario quite interesting to think about. There could have been a million ways to defeat thanos, but doing so in those ways may have left the stones in tact and thus a few years after thanos dies, someone else shows up and kills everyone. After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. Warning! So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. Even if they'd cut off his arm, taken the Gauntlet, or if Strange had somehow trapped him in Dormammu's dimension, the Soul Stone would have remained loyal to Thanos, and rescued/saved/healed him from any such fate. As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. While Strange could control time with the In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). Given that number, it's likely he saw many large events that go beyond just the Snap. And also, it's unknown how far into the future Strange peered, as the Emergence was ready around one year after the events of Endgame, meaning he would've had to have looked pretty far into each future. Cap verbalizes this difference in ideology when he says that we do not trade lives when talking about destroying the mind stone. Thanos could just take it, and end the loop himself. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Thanos can basically use the stones to make a bubble of independent reality around his body, meaning he can still act outside of time. However based on onscreen feats, I'm not sure either of them could counter the effect of time Stone. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. After being somewhat corrupted by the use of the Darkhold, this variant of Strange discovered that his actions had actually set an Incursion in motion, resulting in one reality crashing into another, killing untold trillions in a flash. Not a victory. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall Seeing that this battle is as important as it is Dr. Infinity war flips this value on its head and asks if you are willing do the opposite of the heroic action in order to bring about the greater good. WebDoctor Strange did indeed use the Time Stone to beat Thanos. >Dr. In fact, one of these solutions ended up being effective, resulting in Thanos' death during a conflict on Titan. He knew that there was no possible way to win on Titan but that several things needed to happen and if they did not happen exactly according to his vision victory would be statistically impossible. In this flashback moment, the MCU's Illuminati defeated the iconic Marvel villainon his homeworldTitan,as the shot showed the villainwith his double-bladed sword piercing his chest. Also, time-loop is not the only spell/skill in Doctor Strange's asenal, how would Thanos counter time-freeze right off the bat? Why those possibilities didn't come up is a mystery, although it could be chalked up to Earth-616 not being in danger of an Incursion or any other kind of interactions with other universes before Spider-Man: No Way Home. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Its a very stringent criteria for a victory. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? This term, of course, comes with its own strategic implications, from a popular tactic in chess. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? Tony Stark must earn the respect of Thanos during the fight so that he does not simply kill him because he can. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. , Honestly revealing it at all is too risky he could just snap and suddenly the eye is bubbles and strange can't harness the power and then he can just walk through them either way and get it, On top of that there's nothing honestly stopping him from sending strange to the dead of space or turning him into bubbles and he an do that just as fast or faster than strangest time magic. @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? Otherwise any number of other people present when he has the stones uses them or seeks them out or becomes a bigger threat. With T'Challa and Shuri among those lost to Thanos' snap, there may be no other surviving individuals from Earth capable of deciphering and repurposing the advanced technology, making the trade-off for Stark's life even more necessary. The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). Why is Doctor Strange able to go toe-to-toe with Thanos? I see the other answers are focusing mostly on the fact that Doctor Strange used the Tim Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. Would the outcome have been any different if Strange, Iron Man and Spidey joined up with the rest of the Avengers in Wakanda during the final fight? Marvel/DC. I think you're expecting too much from fantasy. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. 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