Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. I was in too much of a hurry to remember what the three men looked like. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, yes. Then, as time Went on, I began to hear more things in that line. SILENCED! [3] Telephone interviews of Campbell March 19, 1994; Jones, March 19, 1994; Williams, April 4, 1994; Garner, August 14, 1999. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How long were these records maintained? All that I knowand the attending dead endswere passed along to a researcher and author in Dallas a few years ago. For instance, in accounting, when we had our audits, for instance, in most of the audits, he would call up somebody -- let's say in China Branch -- and say "I know you were having problems with this, would you like to look it over before the auditors come? However, information on the Prayer-man.com website shows that Shelley was indeed an officer during the war, albeit as a lieutenant in the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Crozier Tech. Mr. WILCOTT - That was late '68 or perhaps early 1969. Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. Mr. WILCOTT - Not at this time. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? would that interview have contained your resume of the Oswald agency matter, your statements about that matter? Glazes meetings with Shelley were therefore not at the Ambassador Row facility, as I originally believed, but rather they occurred at the building on Gemini Lane. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why has it been difficult? I apologize. James B. Wilcott worked for the CIA from May of 1957 to April of 1966. My testimony included numerous meetings with a man named Bill Shelly (I am no longer certain of the correct spelling of his last name.) Mr. GOLDSMITH - I understand. And I think that is why I probably heard a lot more things than other people did, for instance, than my wife did, because of that situation. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know how to answer that. Using your mobile phone camera - scan the code below and download the Kindle app. One man had blonde or light-brown hair, wore a white shirt, and was armed with a rifle. In 1999, a friend and fellow researcher named Steve Gaal discovered among the listings of the JFK assassination section of the National Archives website a notice of a letter written by a Mr. Glaze to the HSCA. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Have you received a copy of the Committee's rules? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, George Breen, again, after we came back from XXXXXXXX, for instance, XXXXXXXX was a person that I knew before I had gone to XXXXXX Station, and I met with him, and I had dinner at his house with his wife and my wife. Mr. DODD - After the assassination actually occurred? The John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Espaol Fall 2017, Vol. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why did you go back to look at the book? Read instantly on your browser with Kindle for Web. Mr. WILCOTT - XXXXXXXXXXXX George Breen, Ed Luck, and. And perhaps even having people inside the TSBD as assets. Did you write it down or do anything? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Was he a CIA employee? Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? the day we would list all of the advances that were made in an advance book. Your interest in the work of our Committee is appreciated. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was just a cryptonym, and it could refer to a person, or it could refer to something else and I would have no way of knowing what a cryptonym referred to. Mr. PREYER - How many people were at the station in XXXXXXXXXXX approximately? Mr. GOLDSMITH - As a matter of routine, there would be that reference? Mr. WILCOTT - The "need-to-know" principle was not all that we followed, and just about every one of the big projects that the agency was involved in, information leaked out, and we especially within the CIA knew about it, and someone would go to a party and have a little bit too much to drink and start saying things that they really shouldn't be saying to keep in mind what the "need-to-know" principle was. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have an opinion as to how the Mr. WILCOTT - I really didn't think that the Warren Commission was out to really get at the facts, and I am not, saying that they purposely did anything, because I don't know, and maybe they did or maybe they didn't, but certainly, they didn't impress me as really trying to scrutinize the evidence that there was. Mr. PREYER - And dozens of others talked to you in a general, speculative manner? Every station was divided up -- at least every class station was divided up into areas, where we would have a China, branch, Korea branch and XXXXXXXX branch and SR branch and SR satellite. She & her husband left Dallas shortly afterward. Butler said that the 411 Elm Street building was vacant for at least a year after his company moved out. Here, by your own testimony, you were supportive of the President, and certainly the most significant tragedy, I think, probably in the last 15 years or 20 years was the assassination of President Kennedy, and you are told by some who worked for the Agency that Oswald was a CIA agent and you already were dissatisfied with the actions of the Agency and you are told this in 1964 and yet it takes four, years, or two years, after you had left the Agency, recognizing the tremendous import and significance of that, and I am terribly confused as to why you decided to keep that information to yourself and to your wife. Mr. CORNWELL - When was that? There is a vast literature on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, . Mr. DODD - Just one second, then. The Warren Commission did all they could to delay the arrival time on the first floor by Adams and Styles in order to remove the two girls from the stairs when Oswald would have likely been on them. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The third calm man was probably Wesley Fraizer, who stuck close to Shelley and Lovelady. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, assuming that Oswald had been employed as an agent by the CIA, would there have been a reference to that fact in the CIA's cash disbursement file? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. PREYER - I understand this might be a good place for us to break and go and vote, so that we will take another recess for about ten minutes. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes sir; at Oakland Technical High School, at the invitation of -- the social department asked me if I wanted to speak and I said yes, and so I spoke to two classes at Oakland Technical High School. The home of Joe Bergin, Sr. and his wife seemed to have been a target for persecution, perhaps because Mrs. Bergin was strongly pro-Kennedy and actively worked for his election in 1960. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir, I did. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes sir. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't remember his name now offhand. That is what we are attempting to accomplish, which is quite a big order. There was a person, Dave, who was a Deputy Chief. Those generations who were there in 1963 are grateful that people like you are continuing the pursuit and taking another look at events which may have been too shocking for the rest of us to ever fully comprehend. I asked Mr. Peets if he knew of any member of the band who disappeared in Dallas in the mid-1970s. She died in 1969. as members of the F.B.I., approached the two new employees at work & took them to an empty room inside the building. The shot killed Dr. King. Common to both the 1977 and 1989 letters are the strange men asking strange questions. If Shelleys claim to Glaze about his association with the CIA is true, it indicates that he was leading a double life as a schoolbook man as well as an intelligence operative. Mr. SCHAAP - Excuse me. Mr. SAWYER - Who is the public safety commissioner? Mr. WILCOTT - I may have, sir, and I can't remember. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What do you mean by the term "agent"? Mr. CORNWELL - What group was it? Mr. WILCOTT - Not that I can recall. Copies of my written testimony have disappeared from my personal files. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What were these people's names? Mr. CORNWELL - What year was that? I don't know that anyone has ever looked into it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What was their response? The Three Barons proves that it is possible (with enough research), to reconstruct the organizational chart of the JFK plot. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, actually even prior to the Kennedy, assassination, my wife and I both became disturbed about the stories that we kept hearing about things, control of newspapers and so on. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I am sorry -- if Oswald was what? On November 22, 1963, there were sixty-nine people working in the building at 411 Elm Streetthirty-three for the TSBD and forty-six for the publishers. And do you know for a fact that he was given Russian courses? This is more than just an investigative report. I asked the first man I sawa man who was telephoning from a pillar in the middle of the roomwhere I could call from. Mr. CORNWELL - Is that the only reason? Also Present: Michael Goldsmith, Counsel, and Gary Cornwell, Counsel. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't confirm any of them except with the community renewal program as coming from there and I am. Mr. CORNWELL - But your testimony or your statements on the subject hadn't been made a matter of publicity on any other occasion? Also puzzling is the manner by which they asked new employees point-blank if they were members of the CIA. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Only of Case Officers. The search for a solution to these riddles leads into the murky world of intrigue involving the FBI and CIA dirty work. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. In the work that Oliver Stone has done for his upcoming four-part documentary series on the JFK case, he uncovered information that Truly was not being paid directly through the Texas School Book Depository in 1963. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1968. How much exact knowledge they had it is impossible for me to say. While working as a journalist in Dallas, Tx. According to former CIA finance officer James B. Wilcotts testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), Lee Harvey Oswald was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work, for doing CIA operational work.[1] A memorandum by Warren Commission general counsel J. 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